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	<title>Comments on: Gasp! Student Loans Must Be Repaid?</title>
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	<description>Wise Choices. Improved Finances. A Better Life.</description>
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		<title>By: Not Everyone Gets A Prize &#124; The Wisdom Journal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Everyone Gets A Prize &#124; The Wisdom Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] today&#8217;s economy, someone has to re-set expectation levels to something much more realistic. That someone has to be the people in positions of leadership at [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] today&#8217;s <a href="http://www.thewisdomjournal.com/Blog/?p=477" onclick='window.open(this.href); return false;'>economy</a>, someone has to re-set expectation levels to something much more realistic. That someone has to be the people in positions of leadership at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Link Round-up - My New Job Edition &#124; Do You Dave Ramsey?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Link Round-up - My New Job Edition &#124; Do You Dave Ramsey?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] shares of the audacity some graduating students express over having to repay their student loans&#8230; you&#8217;ll have to read the comments to find my strong feelings on the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] shares of the audacity some graduating students express over having to repay their student loans&#8230; you&#8217;ll have to read the comments to find my strong feelings on the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Admin</title>
		<link>http://www.thewisdomjournal.com/Blog/student-loans-must-be-repaid/comment-page-1/#comment-9942</link>
		<dc:creator>Admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 00:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I can certainly respect that! Knowing how to NOT bite off more than you can chew is also the mark of a mature person!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I can certainly respect that! Knowing how to NOT bite off more than you can chew is also the mark of a mature person!</p>
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		<title>By: Carla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 00:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I&#039;m not saying that they shouldn&#039;t pay it back.  Like I said, I never completed school because I knew it would be too rough to do EVERYTHING (working full-time, school, paying it back, etc).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I&#8217;m not saying that they shouldn&#8217;t pay it back.  Like I said, I never completed school because I knew it would be too rough to do EVERYTHING (working full-time, school, paying it back, etc).</p>
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		<title>By: Diesel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diesel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 20:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wholeheartedly agree with your post - Thank You!  I went to school on college loans and grants and albeit, I didn&#039;t finish but I am paying back my loans.  Now that I see the Milleniums going to school thinking mommy and daddy should take out the loans, it&#039;s their job and racking up credit cards that they don&#039;t even pay (still mommy and daddy), I wonder if it is the parents that are engendering this needy entitlement behavior or if this generation is living in the clouds.  I&#039;m paying back my student loans and never turned to my parents for a single thing in college.  This new generation needs a serious reality check or our society is in for trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wholeheartedly agree with your post &#8211; Thank You!  I went to school on college loans and grants and albeit, I didn&#8217;t finish but I am paying back my loans.  Now that I see the Milleniums going to school thinking mommy and daddy should take out the loans, it&#8217;s their job and racking up credit cards that they don&#8217;t even pay (still mommy and daddy), I wonder if it is the parents that are engendering this needy entitlement behavior or if this generation is living in the clouds.  I&#8217;m paying back my student loans and never turned to my parents for a single thing in college.  This new generation needs a serious reality check or our society is in for trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://www.thewisdomjournal.com/Blog/student-loans-must-be-repaid/comment-page-1/#comment-9894</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 08:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I LOVE this article for this line:

What’s this world coming to when college graduates can’t graduate on Friday, throw back a few Yeager Bombs on Saturday, sleep it off on Sunday, start their “dream job” on Monday, and buy their McMansion on Tuesday?

Priceless!

Just what I needed to get my daily dose of snark.  :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I LOVE this article for this line:</p>
<p>What’s this world coming to when college graduates can’t graduate on Friday, throw back a few Yeager Bombs on Saturday, sleep it off on Sunday, start their “dream job” on Monday, and buy their McMansion on Tuesday?</p>
<p>Priceless!</p>
<p>Just what I needed to get my daily dose of snark.  <img src='http://www.thewisdomjournal.com/Blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 19:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you think that ALL prices are manipulated based on perceived value?

And believe me, private business has its share of anti-technology folks. Check out David Green of Hobby Lobby ($2 billion in revenue) who refuses to allow scanners in his stores because &quot;manager&#039;s will spend their time looking at a monitor rather than on the sales floor.&quot;

In my own company, there are those who think we don&#039;t need to change an thing ... ever. 

Still, I bet you could trump all these stories with some from your faculty meetings! Higher Ed certainly does have some dinosaurs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you think that ALL prices are manipulated based on perceived value?</p>
<p>And believe me, private business has its share of anti-technology folks. Check out David Green of Hobby Lobby ($2 billion in revenue) who refuses to allow scanners in his stores because &#8220;manager&#8217;s will spend their time looking at a monitor rather than on the sales floor.&#8221;</p>
<p>In my own company, there are those who think we don&#8217;t need to change an thing &#8230; ever. </p>
<p>Still, I bet you could trump all these stories with some from your faculty meetings! Higher Ed certainly does have some dinosaurs.</p>
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		<title>By: Curmudgeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 15:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent arguments, Ron.  I can only say that as a former tenure-track college professor, I have experienced no desire or understanding for cost control, and have seen tuition prices manipulated to provide a perception (not a reality) of value or elitism.  I have seen faculty rail against even the implication that they are a busines with customers (&quot;We don&#039;t have customers! We have students!&quot;).  Or that there is no requirement to change with the times (&quot;Online education is a failure; we perfected education with the in-class model, and no further changes are needed.&quot;).  Yes, those are direct quotes that I heard from administrators or senior faculty during my time teaching.

I think those are the types of attitudes that have so disconnected our system of higher education from the economic reality the last 30 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent arguments, Ron.  I can only say that as a former tenure-track college professor, I have experienced no desire or understanding for cost control, and have seen tuition prices manipulated to provide a perception (not a reality) of value or elitism.  I have seen faculty rail against even the implication that they are a busines with customers (&#8220;We don&#8217;t have customers! We have students!&#8221;).  Or that there is no requirement to change with the times (&#8220;Online education is a failure; we perfected education with the in-class model, and no further changes are needed.&#8221;).  Yes, those are direct quotes that I heard from administrators or senior faculty during my time teaching.</p>
<p>I think those are the types of attitudes that have so disconnected our system of higher education from the economic reality the last 30 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 00:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a minute there, I couldn&#039;t tell if you were talking about health care or education ...

While there are some differences between higher education and other businesses, it is subject to supply and demand pressure. If it wasn&#039;t, colleges could charge $100,000 per hour and enrollment wouldn&#039;t suffer. Other businesses write off loses all the time - can we call them scholarships? Other businesses &quot;kick back&quot; plenty - it just isn&#039;t so obvious, whether in the form of comps, or trips for their good customers, or special discounts to attract their preferred customer. Can you find an industry that doesn&#039;t have a lobbyist? Every industry from avocado growers to zebra farmers has a lobby. The education lobby has some powerful lobbyists though and they definitely have the attention of lawmakers, I&#039;ll cede that point for sure.

Having lobbyists and the favor of politicians doesn&#039;t exempt higher ed from the laws of economics, though it does skew the situation. One reason costs continue to rise is that people are willing to pay them, governments are willing to allow &quot;state&quot; schools to raise them, and we continually hear how much more a degree-ed person makes in his/her lifetime.

Much of the demand is based on perceived value. Ivy League schools supposedly teach something magical that second or third tier schools don&#039;t know. Wait a minute, that&#039;s just marketing, much like every other business uses marketing to drive up its price structure. My strategic management professor in grad school taught everything Michael Porter teaches! 

About the only degree that I can think of that the grads usually do work is accounting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a minute there, I couldn&#8217;t tell if you were talking about <a href="http://www.thewisdomjournal.com/Blog/?p=438" target='_blank'>health care</a> or education &#8230;</p>
<p>While there are some differences between higher education and other businesses, it is subject to supply and demand pressure. If it wasn&#8217;t, colleges could charge $100,000 per hour and enrollment wouldn&#8217;t suffer. Other businesses write off loses all the time &#8211; can we call them <a href="http://www.thewisdomjournal.com/Blog/go/scholarship.php/" target='_blank'>scholarships</a>? Other businesses &#8220;kick back&#8221; plenty &#8211; it just isn&#8217;t so obvious, whether in the form of comps, or trips for their good customers, or special discounts to attract their preferred customer. Can you find an industry that doesn&#8217;t have a lobbyist? Every industry from avocado growers to zebra farmers has a lobby. The education lobby has some powerful lobbyists though and they definitely have the attention of lawmakers, I&#8217;ll cede that point for sure.</p>
<p>Having lobbyists and the favor of politicians doesn&#8217;t exempt higher ed from the laws of economics, though it does skew the situation. One reason costs continue to rise is that people are willing to pay them, governments are willing to allow &#8220;state&#8221; schools to raise them, and we continually hear how much more a degree-ed person makes in his/her lifetime.</p>
<p>Much of the demand is based on perceived value. Ivy League schools supposedly teach something magical that second or third tier schools don&#8217;t know. Wait a minute, that&#8217;s just marketing, much like every other business uses marketing to drive up its price structure. My strategic management professor in grad school taught everything Michael Porter teaches! </p>
<p>About the only degree that I can think of that the grads usually do work is accounting!</p>
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		<title>By: Curmudgeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 20:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron, while I agree with your sentiment of personal responsibility completely, I&#039;ll have to disagree that our higher education system is subject to the same economic forces as any business.  They use pricing not to pay the bills, but to attract the type of student they target.  They kick back (&quot;financial aid package&quot; - grants and loans) if prices are too high for the class they actually accept.  And collectively they lobby both governments and parents on the right of every American to a higher education no matter what the cost.  It is a nefarious establishment, and one that no one seems to be willing to seriously challenge.

Second, if you find anyone who works in the field that they studied in college, I would be surprised.  I can accept that you have an interest or curiosity in an area sufficient to achieve a college major in that area, but that bears little or no relationship to what you do to earn a living afterwards.  Have we so seriously deluded our youth into believing that they can pursue what they are interested in, and it will provide them with a financially secure and comfortable life?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, while I agree with your sentiment of personal responsibility completely, I&#8217;ll have to disagree that our higher education system is subject to the same economic forces as any business.  They use pricing not to pay the bills, but to attract the type of student they target.  They kick back (&#8220;financial aid package&#8221; &#8211; grants and loans) if prices are too high for the class they actually accept.  And collectively they lobby both governments and parents on the right of every American to a higher education no matter what the cost.  It is a nefarious establishment, and one that no one seems to be willing to seriously challenge.</p>
<p>Second, if you find anyone who works in the field that they studied in college, I would be surprised.  I can accept that you have an interest or curiosity in an area sufficient to achieve a college major in that area, but that bears little or no relationship to what you do to earn a living afterwards.  Have we so seriously deluded our youth into believing that they can pursue what they are interested in, and it will provide them with a financially secure and comfortable life?</p>
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