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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-7226&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;#&lt;/a&gt;CV→ 
To begin correcting a problem, one has to first admit it. I&#039;m not the first to recognize that problems come from government interference in the markets. Here&#039;s an article from nine years ago in City Journal that outlines many of the problems the CRA began http://www.city-journal.org/html/10_1_the_trillion_dollar.html

Another problem I have with the 11 responses articles is it&#039;s blatant racism. Just say the words &quot;low income&quot; and suddenly you&#039;re talking about a racial group? What a stereotypical broad brush! That&#039;s racism at its ugliest.

The financial industry is one of the most heavily regulated in the world. The number of regulations are astounding, but I DO advocate some of them coming back such as the Glass-Stegall Act (signed by Clinton with 50 Republicans and 40 Democrats backing -- but not John McCain).

No matter how it&#039;s spun, the CRA was a mandate by the Federal government to lower lending standards to certain groups. And government meddling in financial markets (the CRA wasn&#039;t regulation, it was social engineering) results in blowups like we have now. No, it wasn&#039;t the sole reason, but like everything else the Government gets hold of, it opened the floodgates.

Then the Clinton Administration rewrote the CRA to REQUIRE loans be made to low credit quality borrowers. And engaged FNMA and FRE to buy these loans. In order to make loans and homes more affordable for lower income borrowers lenders had to come up with unusual loan products. Interest only, Option ARM, 125% LTV, and low teaser rate products were the solutions for helping people who did not otherwise qualify get a home, as REQUIRED by CRA. These low standards for qualification were THEN applied to everyone who wanted a mortgage. Hence, the &quot;floodgates.&quot; All because of Government intervention.

Besides, nobody made loans &quot;under the CRA program.&quot; The CRA is not a loan program. It set numerical targets for lending by location, race, and ethnicity, and often required lending to uncreditworthy persons to get a satisfactory CRA rating. It did indeed cause Freddie and Fannie to take on huge amounts of trash loans. The chief executive of Countrywide Financial, the nation&#039;s largest mortgage lender, is said to have &#039;bragged&#039; that in order to approve minority applications, &#039;lenders have had to stretch the rules a bit.&#039;&quot; See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act#Criticism and the following references.

The CRA probably started out as a well meaning, well intentioned program to increase flows of credit to borrowers and neighborhoods that banks had traditionally neglected (why would a profit making organization neglect them? Hmm...). The CRA itself simply says that banks are obliged to &quot;serve the credit needs&quot; of all the communities where they are located. It required regulators to examine each bank&#039;s record of doing so and to take this record into account when deciding whether or not to approve applications for new branches or mergers with other banks.

Liberals think that government can solve all problems. Conservatives think that business can solve all problems. I happen to believe that people should solve their own problems and get the government out of the way.

Where do you land in this political quiz? http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html

I&#039;m Libertarian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-7226" rel="nofollow">#</a>CV→<br />
To begin correcting a problem, one has to first admit it. I&#8217;m not the first to recognize that problems come from government interference in the markets. Here&#8217;s an article from nine years ago in City Journal that outlines many of the problems the CRA began <a href="http://www.city-journal.org/html/10_1_the_trillion_dollar.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.city-journal.org/html/10_1_the_trillion_dollar.html</a></p>
<p>Another problem I have with the 11 responses articles is it&#8217;s blatant racism. Just say the words &#8220;low income&#8221; and suddenly you&#8217;re talking about a racial group? What a stereotypical broad brush! That&#8217;s racism at its ugliest.</p>
<p>The financial industry is one of the most heavily regulated in the world. The number of regulations are astounding, but I DO advocate some of them coming back such as the Glass-Stegall Act (signed by Clinton with 50 Republicans and 40 Democrats backing &#8212; but not John McCain).</p>
<p>No matter how it&#8217;s spun, the CRA was a mandate by the Federal government to lower lending standards to certain groups. And government meddling in financial markets (the CRA wasn&#8217;t regulation, it was social engineering) results in blowups like we have now. No, it wasn&#8217;t the sole reason, but like everything else the Government gets hold of, it opened the floodgates.</p>
<p>Then the Clinton Administration rewrote the CRA to REQUIRE loans be made to low credit quality borrowers. And engaged FNMA and FRE to buy these loans. In order to make loans and homes more affordable for lower income borrowers lenders had to come up with unusual loan products. Interest only, Option ARM, 125% LTV, and low teaser rate products were the solutions for helping people who did not otherwise qualify get a home, as REQUIRED by CRA. These low standards for qualification were THEN applied to everyone who wanted a mortgage. Hence, the &#8220;floodgates.&#8221; All because of Government intervention.</p>
<p>Besides, nobody made loans &#8220;under the CRA program.&#8221; The CRA is not a loan program. It set numerical targets for lending by location, race, and ethnicity, and often required lending to uncreditworthy persons to get a satisfactory CRA rating. It did indeed cause Freddie and Fannie to take on huge amounts of trash loans. The chief executive of Countrywide Financial, the nation&#8217;s largest <a href="http://www.thewisdomjournal.com/Blog/mortgage-basics/" onclick='window.open(this.href); return false;'>mortgage</a> lender, is said to have &#8216;bragged&#8217; that in order to approve minority applications, &#8216;lenders have had to stretch the rules a bit.&#8217;&#8221; See <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act#Criticism" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act#Criticism</a> and the following references.</p>
<p>The CRA probably started out as a well meaning, well intentioned program to increase flows of credit to borrowers and neighborhoods that banks had traditionally neglected (why would a profit making organization neglect them? Hmm&#8230;). The CRA itself simply says that banks are obliged to &#8220;serve the credit needs&#8221; of all the communities where they are located. It required regulators to examine each bank&#8217;s record of doing so and to take this record into account when deciding whether or not to approve applications for new branches or mergers with other banks.</p>
<p>Liberals think that government can solve all problems. Conservatives think that business can solve all problems. I happen to believe that people should solve their own problems and get the government out of the way.</p>
<p>Where do you land in this political quiz? <a href="http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m Libertarian.
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		<title>By: CV</title>
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		<dc:creator>CV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ron-  

I have been enjoying many of your posts, especially the ones lately where you&#039;ve been linking the big picture crises to individual behavior. That&#039;s a welcome and much needed connection, imho. 

There are a host of causes for our current economic drama, not the least of which is government regulation-- or lack thereof. Given this, I was really disappointed with this particular post that blames the Wall Street crisis on any of us seeking to end racist and sexist discrimination in lending practices. While there might be some grain of truth in the view that anti-redlining legislation led to this crisis, this view is being discredited (pun intended) far and wide.

You seem to hold your view very strongly, so I wanted to suggest that you check out a post on Alternet.org:&lt;i&gt; 11 Racist Lies Conservatives Tell to Avoid Blaming Wall Street for the Financial Crisis &lt;/i&gt; By Sara Robinson. 

Here&#039;s a clip of the intro: 
&lt;i&gt; &quot;The real blame for the current economic crisis, conservatives would have you believe, lies not with anything they did, but rather with the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act -- a successful Carter-era program designed to get banks to stop covert discrimination, and encourage them to invest their money in low-income neighborhoods.   .... Conservatives are twisting the facts beyond the breaking point to support their revisionist history. But don&#039;t be fooled: the financial crisis was caused by conservative financial follies and bankers run amok and nothing more. Here are the basic myths they&#039;re trying to push about the CRA -- and the facts that will enable you to fire back.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Can you see a way to incorporate these criticisms of the &quot;CRA explanation&quot; into your analysis? 

And, have you considered (1) whether the bank you worked for misapplied the principles behind the CRA, or (2) whether implicit racism, etc. in discussions at your bank encouraged awareness of less-qualified blacks getting loans, to the exclusion of noticing the less-qualified whites who were also getting loans? Remember this rough statistic: (Only) 13-14% of Americans are black. Could loans to the unqualified subset of that group really be at the root of this all? 

thanks- cvh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ron-  </p>
<p>I have been enjoying many of your posts, especially the ones lately where you&#8217;ve been linking the big picture crises to individual behavior. That&#8217;s a welcome and much needed connection, imho. </p>
<p>There are a host of causes for our current economic drama, not the least of which is government regulation&#8211; or lack thereof. Given this, I was really disappointed with this particular post that blames the Wall Street crisis on any of us seeking to end racist and sexist discrimination in lending practices. While there might be some grain of truth in the view that anti-redlining legislation led to this crisis, this view is being discredited (pun intended) far and wide.</p>
<p>You seem to hold your view very strongly, so I wanted to suggest that you check out a post on Alternet.org:<i> 11 Racist Lies Conservatives Tell to Avoid Blaming Wall Street for the Financial Crisis </i> By Sara Robinson. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a clip of the intro:<br />
<i> &#8220;The real blame for the current economic crisis, conservatives would have you believe, lies not with anything they did, but rather with the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act &#8212; a successful Carter-era program designed to get banks to stop covert discrimination, and encourage them to invest their money in low-income neighborhoods.   &#8230;. Conservatives are twisting the facts beyond the breaking point to support their revisionist history. But don&#8217;t be fooled: the financial crisis was caused by conservative financial follies and bankers run amok and nothing more. Here are the basic myths they&#8217;re trying to push about the CRA &#8212; and the facts that will enable you to fire back.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Can you see a way to incorporate these criticisms of the &#8220;CRA explanation&#8221; into your analysis? </p>
<p>And, have you considered (1) whether the bank you worked for misapplied the principles behind the CRA, or (2) whether implicit racism, etc. in discussions at your bank encouraged awareness of less-qualified blacks getting loans, to the exclusion of noticing the less-qualified whites who were also getting loans? Remember this rough statistic: (Only) 13-14% of Americans are black. Could loans to the unqualified subset of that group really be at the root of this all? </p>
<p>thanks- cvh</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-7085&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;#&lt;/a&gt;ben→ 
Thanks Ben, you have a very well thought out comment.

I personally think we SHOULD go back to better banking regulation because one (just one) of the triggers was the repeal of the Glass-Stegall Act that prevented banks from dabbling in securities. The problem today is that we couldn&#039;t re-instate it without 100 gazillion pork projects and earmarks being added to it. They need to simply repeal the repeal!

Access to information? We&#039;re on the same page.

The most I would involve the government in the mortgage process is to offer insurance. We already do that with FHA, though. It went haywire when we relaxed the qualifications. Bring back the qualifications!</description>
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Thanks Ben, you have a very well thought out comment.</p>
<p>I personally think we SHOULD go back to better banking regulation because one (just one) of the triggers was the repeal of the Glass-Stegall Act that prevented banks from dabbling in securities. The problem today is that we couldn&#8217;t re-instate it without 100 gazillion pork projects and earmarks being added to it. They need to simply repeal the repeal!</p>
<p>Access to information? We&#8217;re on the same page.</p>
<p>The most I would involve the government in the <a href="http://www.thewisdomjournal.com/Blog/mortgage-basics/" onclick='window.open(this.href); return false;'>mortgage</a> process is to offer insurance. We already do that with FHA, though. It went haywire when we relaxed the qualifications. Bring back the qualifications!</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say the free market wouldn&#039;t have failed if government hadn&#039;t of meddled.  One might also say that the market had already failed by not allowing all working Americans to get homes.

I&#039;m not advocating handing out mansions to unemployed folks who can&#039;t hold a job (although something needs to be done for them!), but the reality is that to keep a manufacturing economy working, you need low paid workers.  Add in high health care costs (that are unpredictable by nature), and you have a recipe for a portion of that work force to have high debt or bad credit.

For the market to &quot;work&quot;, it would require a bunch of people who are crucial to the American economy being in a severe amount of emotional and financial discomfort.

Why should anybody (let alone a politician) see that as a system that is &quot;working&quot;?  There&#039;s no higher law that states that free markets are the morally right path to true enlightenment.  Obviously in this case the balance tipped too hard the other way, but I would be very cautious about believing that truly deregulated, &quot;free&quot; markets would have solved all the problems either.  Remember that truly &quot;free&quot; markets require equal access to information, a problem that has reared it&#039;s ugly head time and time again in the American economy.  Should the government come in and fix that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say the free market wouldn&#8217;t have failed if government hadn&#8217;t of meddled.  One might also say that the market had already failed by not allowing all working Americans to get homes.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not advocating handing out mansions to unemployed folks who can&#8217;t hold a job (although something needs to be done for them!), but the reality is that to keep a manufacturing <a href="http://www.thewisdomjournal.com/Blog/?p=477" onclick='window.open(this.href); return false;'>economy</a> working, you need low paid workers.  Add in high health care costs (that are unpredictable by nature), and you have a recipe for a portion of that work force to have high debt or bad credit.</p>
<p>For the market to &#8220;work&#8221;, it would require a bunch of people who are crucial to the American <a href="http://www.thewisdomjournal.com/Blog/?p=477" onclick='window.open(this.href); return false;'>economy</a> being in a severe amount of emotional and financial discomfort.</p>
<p>Why should anybody (let alone a politician) see that as a system that is &#8220;working&#8221;?  There&#8217;s no higher law that states that free markets are the morally right path to true enlightenment.  Obviously in this case the balance tipped too hard the other way, but I would be very cautious about believing that truly deregulated, &#8220;free&#8221; markets would have solved all the problems either.  Remember that truly &#8220;free&#8221; markets require equal access to information, a problem that has reared it&#8217;s ugly head time and time again in the American economy.  Should the government come in and fix that?</p>
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